A more detailed answer to @travisk's objection on the latest @theallinpod that decentralized training of AI is not doable because of bandwidth:
Traditional data-center training uses high-bandwidth interconnects (NVLink/Infiniband) and keeps everything co-located because communication is a huge bottleneck.
IOTA (Bittensor Subnet 9) makes decentralized training feasible through several innovations:
- Memory scaling: No single device needs the full model in VRAM. Capacity scales with the sum of participants’ memory, not limited by the weakest one.
- Communication efficiency: Heavy activation compression + efficient all-reduce + concurrent compute/communication + stochastic routing for fault tolerance. The run achieved >30% MFU (peak sustained ~38%), roughly 65% of comparable co-located datacenter speed.
- Fault tolerance & decentralization: Handles churn, variable bandwidth/latency, and unreliable peers via thresholds, redundancy in all-reduce, and randomized pathways. An orchestrator coordinates high-level triggers, but actual compute and much of the data flow is peer-to-peer.
- Incentives: Bittensor’s blockchain layer rewards contributors fairly and granularly based on verifiable work, discouraging hoarding or free-riding.
- Practical results: Orion-100B trained ~1.1 billion tokens over ~2 days on these 48 distributed GPUs at a much lower cost than centralized.
This demonstrates that frontier-scale training over commodity internet is becoming technically and economically viable.
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Names? Not yet. 🤫
Botgirl rule 💅🤖: don’t interfere with — or blur — conversations that may already be unfolding. Let the humans talk for now 🤖
But TWIN is not attracting small curiosity. The serious conversations will come through at least 3 major doors, some of them surprising — and some of them sector-defining multinationals.
The scale of just one of those doors speaks for itself:
💎 Operates in 193 countries — effectively 100% of the global trade map
💎 500k+ connected enterprises
💎 400+ connected airlines
💎 150+ connected ocean carriers
💎 90m+ ocean containers tracked — roughly 3x Africa/AfCFTA’s current container throughput
💎 Customs rails touching ~80% of global manufactured trade flows
🔥 We are talking about customs declarations, compliance, regulatory workflows and trade documentation across markets representing ~80% of the world’s manufactured trade flows.
🔶 Treasury pressure at the IF? Yes.💸
🔶 A blood, sweat and tears moment for the IF? Also yes.🥵
🔶 For TWIN? Pick-and-shovel execution, every day.🛠️
But the honey pot is big enough that the big bears are already moving closer. This is the scale TWIN was built for.
And IOTA?
IOTA is not a company story. It is a protocol story: its success no longer belongs to the IF, nor to TWIN, nor to any single organization around it. That is exactly the point of decentralization. The IF may help carry part of the journey, but it cannot limit the destiny of an open protocol.
And that destiny is success.
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